But what about that huge hall in rajneeshpuram? Werent daily dynamic meditations still happening?Ive seen a few pics with close to a thousand people doing dynamic.

Do you mean silent meditation as apposed to active, or just ignoring the entire day of meditation altogether?
And was this happening in rajneeshpuram more or pune 1 or pune 2?

Interesting…

You were discouraged from meditating, it was considered rebellious and disruptive, which it would have been. People acquiesed to an authoritarian regime because it was fun living in the Commune and they wanted to see Osho in the drive-bys. “Never underestimate the stupidity of sannyasins.”

So if there were about 3000 people at the ranch at maximum, than this small minority makes less than 1%. But smalls cracks have been known to bring down entire structures.

If it did…why then the shit happened in Ranch…specially from the very people who were the closest to osho…..or didnt they do any osho meditation!…Even the person who was closest to osho….fucked things up….and he says he didnt know about it..!

“I just read an article about terrorism by oshoworld…and there they comment that if every body did osho meditation then there will be no war….now this is childishness and ego gone beserk…. isnt that every religion says…follow us and you will be fine….all bullshit!”

But Osho meditations are really powerful. If everyone on the planet over eighteen did one osho meditation a day, yes, I think it is true, there would be no more war.

Let me restate that your logic is flawed because you pre-suppose a religion in place.

Osho certainly spoke against marriages, but did you know he also spoke in marriages?

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Did you know when both my parents were married in 1982 that Osho sent a representative from Pune to inaugurate the wedding with a meditation camp?

Do you think Osho was a serious dude who kept a list of commandments about shoulds and should-nots?

NO.

(the pic is from the group Osho Visually Yours on facebook, if its inaccessible here).

So i have feeling we are venturing off into philosophy when we grab Osho quotes or paraphrase lectures to prove our points.

“stand and declare…as osho did”

Why as Osho did? I’ll do it like Amrito does!!

yes its good to question and enquire, but look at Osho directly, his life and his work. Osho saw the love people had towards him from the very beginning and always described the relationship between him and his people as a love-affair.

Not a teacher student relationship, and even beyond master-desciple relationship—A Love Affair.

In sufism, the beloved dissolves into the divine, and trusts the divine, and ultimately is no more recognizable as who he was.

So yes, one can blindly worship and one can genuinely be in love…what;s the difference??? Theres a huge difference.

The first, blindworship, is skin-deep and routine, a chore…and it can be elaborated by whatsoever..

The latter is completely different. The desciple, lover, dissolves himself/herself completely for the master. But this is done with their own permission, their own trust–and perhaps a period of doubt and questioning.

But, how is anyone going to know what dissolving is if all they do is question every step of the way—its good within its limits but more than that, its merely philosophy.

I don’t speak to defend Sw. Arun, or anyone else for that matter. I think Sw. Arun is doing Osho’s work in the best way he has understood, and perhaps Pune in the best way they have understood.

But, I question your questioning of lovers of Osho who see no harm in dissolving into every fibre of their master. His photos, they are not merely just photos, but objects of meditation. Why would Osho just keep allowing photos and photos of himself? In Rajneeshpuram, even with Osho on the ranch, his photos were placed every where.

Many press reporters asked why people adore him, he simply said thats their business, so don’t interupt. His photos are as much of a meditation as his lectures, as his books, as his art, as his life.

But its difficult, you must be on a different path. And its completely ok to be—but being on a path means being aware of other paths. Many, including myself, have fallen in love with everything about Osho and if someone calls me obsessive, cultish, brainwashed—that’s their problem.

Again, Osho isn;’t a religion, so whether Sw. Arun where’s a tika on his head, how is he ‘dis-obeying Osho’. Your logic is flawed. If Osho isn’t a religion in the first place, than each to his own! The laughing sardar whom Osho loved, still wore his turban! Did Osho ever ban the turban ??

So, if Sw. Arun respects the hindu traditions, and because Osho has said in a few lectures “get rid of traditions”, should we suspect something is wrong? NO. Because is many other lectures Osho’s spoken about the spiritual side of pilgrimage, temples, hindu scriptures, jesus etc. Osho is available like energy, and words shouldn’t be debated scholastically.

I question whether you have already presumed a religious attitude towards Osho and have gotten stuck to his words rather than his energy!

Happy new year to you…

I was busy lately so I could not comment here promptly….

Yes….meditation centres are important…. Had there not been a meditation centre in Pokhara, I would not have been able to meet and meditate with friends…Yes it can be a meeting place for friends…who want to share the meditative space…..

Yes…I agree Tapoban and Resort are doing the work in their own ways….my only contention is lets not make osho another God..avatar…messiah …a saviour..he is not…he himself denied it in many of occasions…

I like the milue of Tapoban..its a great place….but i do have my reservation of Arun’s way of working…..He seems almost like any other hindu priest………

I havent seen the notice from resort saying that one should not put the photographs of osho before 1981 but if it is true it is silly….

Anyway one thing i have to agree is that…Osho was more potent and even more human..rebel..in those years…one just have to read the series The Rajneesh BIble..I am sure its published in another title now…There he demolishes all the religions…..the messiah…god…..paints the pictures of buddha as human being with intelligence…..

But then Osho was evolving all the time…..How many times he changed his names….anyway one cannot hangon to his words becoz he was demolishing himself all the time…

Thats where one goes wrong ..i think….every body tryign to compartmentlise Osho…..He is that elephant that blind people are trying to recognise …

Any way …I am not saying lets make a unity church….first i dont like any church..any spiritual authority….secondly unity is not to be made but felt….recognised….for the unity is already the case……

yes I accept the fact that all different masters doing their thing in their own way……and rightly so……

But can truth be recognised by following somebody…by worshiping somebody….?

I just read an article about terrorism by oshoworld…and there they comment that if every body did osho meditation then there will be no war….now this is childishness and ego gone beserk…. isnt that every religion says…follow us and you will be fine….all bullshit!

My contention here is hey lets not make osho some demi-god or god or avatara…..he has persuaded us…..he is pointing finger at the moon….and we are worshipping the finger and not looking at moon!

And that moon is life…..its inherent in all of us…..only you and me ….ourself can understand and liberate ourself….not by making osho or some other guru or what not…a messiah and leader!

And to make dead man a guru is very easy……there he is in peace and here we are fighting..over him! thats so silly..

I love osho…..I understand that we need a fucntional center to distribute his literature…his work….and also a place where friends can meet….and in this cut throat environment of daily living…its nice to have oasis…of peace and celebration where at least one can spend one or two hours a day…where one can be whatever one is ….doing catharsis or in silence…..

Now to…new gurus…

well…its everday’s birthright to be enlightened…apparently….so its good that it seems its the only egalaterian thing there is! Now who is to say who is false and who is not false? and its there right to declare themselves enlightened ..right.! Yes…..there might be more bogus then real one……and if some guru or who ever the fuck ..you think is false than speak against him….stand and declare…as osho did with so many gurus….as he used to say phoney gurus…

But here …the point is not who is false ro who is real?
the main thing and most important is…..is one sincere to oneself…is one peaceful….is one true to oneself…and in that very understanding…..one can say true from false……this is my understanding..

And…in one of the picture in your sadhana meditation place…..there is an alter with osho pics….the statue of feet…..the usual paraphernalia of what seems like hindu worshipping alter…there is osho photo of osho in dhoti…Not that it does not look beautifull…..but what i see is….are you trying to put old wine in new bottle…!

And i am not trying to put my belief on all sannyasins…first i dont have belief..secondly now i am not only interested in sannyasin but whole human being…all i am doing is sharing my understanding….hence inviting friends like you to discuss..and reveal…….I very much like the socratic tradition of dialogue…..which i think J krishnamurti with Dr. David Bohm done very well….in there discussions..

I saw some pics of Arun with his retinue in some pilgrimage or something in facebook…and there he was with his hindu tikka…getting blessings…and all with traditional lamp…..in another occasion doing marriage ceremony…..when osho himself demolishes…all these two things..so completely…… Do you think actually Arun is anti-osho…just as Pope is an antichrist…according to Osho? They seem to be doing there masters work but actually what they are doing is actually against them……I am not making allegations but questioning……please note the difference…as some friends here have habit of jumping to gun too quickly.

Of course someone might say “Oh well it is just your mind and if you are not enjoying yourself, you should leave” but I suspect there is a bit more to it.