Experiences from the Green Commune in China
Rodak ( from Holland)
Today I realized I ask more to other people what solution they have for a problem and accept it. Usually I like to tell how I think something should be done. I think it is part of commune life to share the problem and the find the solution. Here in the commune people share their lives and happiness together. Problems are solved together by using the energy of the people together. The special part is that it is a meditation commune where people live in harmony by not using their mind but by connecting their life energy together. This way you do not need to become angry, because you do not stick to some mind idea but accept other peoples ideas and together choose the best one. For families this is a good environment because raising children takes a lot of work. If you can share the work with other people and for more children it leaves also more time for parents to do their own things during the day, for example meditation for which you otherwise would have no time. With only two parents taking care the children and parents can easily develop habits in their behavior that are not good for either. Here you can see changes in your habits and find out what you changed, so you do not need to do it again.
In green commune the people are flowing. Because so many people are here, as a visitor you can join the flow and do new things that you normally would not do or even could not do. I have experienced from the first day here that this energy was helping me to do my meditations, to help fix body problems (foot, spine) and during the day in my activities. Before coming I had a problem to walk in the airport to the airplane, here I have made long walks in the mountains. By experiencing every day what is happening in my body, I am more aware of what I need to do to overcome a problem and stay healthy.
My body has become more flexible, walking is more natural. I can let my body correct itself for a bad posture, if I let it do it. I write my diary every day, I have found again that I wake up cleaner the next morning, and that I am more flowing. In the morning in laughing I can feel my body opening and become flexible. After laughing when I walk back I do not use glasses and can see the plants very well and shining next to the street. I than enjoy the nature around very much.
The daily activities and walks in the mountains help me to feel if I am using my body correctly especially when I get tired. Usually something goes wrong or my thinking is not correct if I am not in the flow and tired. So when I notice something goes wrong I know what to do to get back in the flow.
I thank green commune for taking good care of us and trying many things to make our stay better and sharing their lives and energy with us.
Fleur (from Holland)
Change foot
In group do mandala, keep running while watching partner across me into eyes, then suddenly heavy pain in foot. Before never had this pain, can not go on. Sandesh push some, I feel heavy pain and need to cry. Some later I relax more when feel energy Sandesh and Mira, can handle the pain and some later can walk. Sandesh tell me it is some old pain, from an accident when I was a child, then I ignored the pain and now it come out. Can do group for next day while using some medicine on foot and ancle. The day after group I can climb mountain and walk more than 3 hours, I enjoy and feel peace. The past three months I could not walk more then one half hour without pain. Some days later, pain come back, and while working foot get fat. Very difficult to walk, no way can bend foot or move hip easily. Do more walks with group, feel heavy pain and afraid that I break my body. Same time my mind is making me crazy and I go thinking too much about insecurities and other so called worries. I tell myself it is because of the pain. But now I see it is the other way around, I forgot to take care of myself after group with using medicine fot foot. I just did not use because I keep telling myself to be a strong young woman. It is a mind habit that I still have and which is forcing me doing things I can not do. Actually taking care of myself and my body makes me a more happy and loving person and that I experience is most important in life. Sandesh and the commune gave me some advice to get more energy flowing. I followed and yes my energy is more flowing, mind is more quiet and foot is less fat and less red. Some pain still there but I try, every time I need to walk, to find a way to walk without too much pain, it is walking with awareness what is happening inside, how my body is changing and my mind keeps quiet. Then and only whyen life energy is flowing, I can walk and sometimes feel like dancing with not too much pain.
Laughing
Now I am in commune for 3rd time. And yes, can do laughing again in mornings all together. Alone at home it is very hard to do, maybe can keep going on 10 minutes. In group I feel energy flowing, when I hear other persons,we share energy and it is like I take over others laugh. So waking up now even at 5 in the morning is no problem at all. I feel stiffness in body sometimes and difficult to come out of bed. But after laughing I always feel more flexible, some blocks of muscles and joints relax while laughing. And again I have some pain in mouth and jaw, my teeth change so much that I can not bite my upper and lower jaw together like before. So the dentist is maybe not happy but I feel more happy and relaxed. It is a wonderful start of every bright new day with this exercise to make the mind more silent and changes my attitide during daily life.
Kundalini
Running in life for my job and friends, feeling bodypain and much tension many times and finally get sick, that was my life till one and a half year ago. Then a friend introduced me the kundalini meditation. First time I felt very relaxed afterwards. I kept doing daily one hour for some weeks and noticed that I just felt better when I finished. Then I felt this was something which can help me in life. So I just came to experience commune. Every day kundalini meditation in group, around 4 or 5 o’clock. The time in the day people naturally feel their energy level go down. Then we do shaking, dancing, sitting and lie down. In the beginning shaking was very difficult, I could not shake my feet or ancle, many bodyparts were so stiff. So much sweat come out of body because energy is blocked some where. Dancing gives me most of times a very free feeling to move my body from inside, it feels as a massage to all bodyparts. In sit I can reach peace when sit without tension in body, however this requires a lot of awareness. In lie down I feel some blocks open and then energy goes flowing more and more, I relax fully. Afterwards I feel like a new day can begin. New energy, more light and joy again.
Now I do almost one year daily kundalini. It has become a way of life for me. Everywhere I go, I take the music and make time for kundalini, even on holiday in Nepalese Himalaya’s. Kundalini is coming back to myself, feel what is happening and watch my body and mind. It is the time my awareness grows and this is exactly that which make change in life possible. Because of kundalini I now feel my own energyflow and can keep it more flowing. That makes life more pure from my inner being. This life energy which flows inside of me, makes me more free, more creative and more open to to anything what happens to me on any moment.
Same time kundalini makes my body stronger. So I feel more energy and have more power, physical but also being to keep following my flow and just doing my thing, whatever it is, whatever I feel like doing. Kundalini in the commune goes more deep; we share our energy which makes me easier flowing and happy.
Lin Ying(from China)
3 years old and 33 years old
Lin Ying
When I am 3 years old, I was scald seriously in an accident. It’s lucky that I was wearing pants with open crotch, so the buttocks is ok. But the left leg is scald seriously. I thought that the meat was cooked. A piece of skin was cut from the right leg to be grafted on the left leg. I stayed in the hospital for very long. My legs are even hung in my memory (in case the wound is covered after medicine being applied. Also in case that I move ) At last the wound recovered.. My father always said very luckly :’The child survives in disaster.’ Later I never walked well. I often fell to the ground when 3 years old. When I was some elder, I woudn’t fell, but the way of walking is very ugly. The tiptoes point to the outside. The buttocks is turned up. I know it when I am very young. I always want to modify. But no way!
I am terribly bad at sports related to running. I have good height and length of leg. What a pity! I like dancing, Kongfu and gymnastics. But my postures are always very strange. Teachers sais that my coordination was not good, which makes me to be weighed down.
Later, I escape from these sports, although I like them very much…
When I am 33 years old, I met Sandesh. When he saw me at the first time, he felt that my way of walking was very strange. He knew that I was blocked. The bone of leg and Pelvis mismatched. So the place that they should fix together now is hole. (When I went to have injection, the doctors always told me to relax. They said that you are so nervous to have a hole in the bottocks). Now I know that everything comes from that disaster of 3 years old—-Because the legs were hung, the soft bone distorted. I didn’t know before… I had many explanation for my problem — lack of Ca，bad body quality, bad co-ordination.
Shit! They are not the reason.
After 2 groups, my left leg is better and better. The blocked part is recovering gradually. Unimaginable! During 2 groups in 2 months, after feet blistering, heel cracking, the front part of sole aching when touching the ground, I can walk one morning suddenly!
Now, I really understand from my body. The body sincerely records your past life. It’s sickness tells you about the problem of the concept in your mind. It continues telling, but I never understand. O! I never well feel my body. I am just busy, busy with chasing what the mind want—money, love, desire, beauty- then the heart is still empty!
Now, I begin live with myself really. I feel everyday that I exist. I feel the joyance that the body-mind connect. The joyance is so simple! My life is so broad! The power hidden deep in my body is awakened- I don’t feel weak any more!
I bless my self: power, power, more power!
With love,
Green commune
绿土地健康社区
回归自然，享受成长
www.greencommune.org
” Running in life for my job and friends, feeling bodypain and much tension many times and finally get sick, that was my life till one and a half year ago. ”
This where i am even now.. and I am utterly utterly tired.. Your thread gives me hope in life.. thank you for sharing this beautiful thread
” Actually taking care of myself and my body makes me a more happy and loving person and that I experience is most important in life. ”
Thanks again for giving me this perspective…
Wish we have a similar commune in Pune ..
I will jump in now..
With Love
Kranti
Well if it is that bad, Kranti, you could do daily dynamic totally, and be willing to let go of that job. Remember you are an eternal being.
Yes Alok.. What you say is true.. A corporate job takes everything out of you.. Wish i have the courage to let go like that.. I may do that ..
Is this the only vibrant commune or are there other communes.. I heard 4 communes are coming up in Nepal by Swami Arun..
Well Tapoban is quite large in Nepal and you could look at the tapoban site to find the other Nepali communes. I would not discount Pune either.
” I would not discount Pune either ”
Not yet.. Pune is Pune.. But it is good to see Osho dream unfolding with diversity and vibrancy..
In the green commune website there is no mentioning of Osho even for the Osho meditations .. There is clear staying away from Osho’s personality .. Interesting..
But thats what Pune is attempting although not to that extent of completely forgetting Osho which is not possible anyway due to the fact that their essential identity is Osho’s
By way of explanation Osho and his meditations are strongly persecuted in China. This is an Osho inspired commune but they have to box very clever to survive. They call the meditations, exercises, and make out they are simply an agricultural farm.
They are living near the edge, they deserve our every support. This totalitarian Chinese regime is very dangerous. They have locked up and taken body parts from executed Falong Gong people for Communist leaders who are ailing! Actually Falang Gong is much less dangerous than sannyas!! It’s just a bunch of public exercises with a weird guru who actually now lives in Florida.
But the communists have banned it because they have so millions of members. Sannyas is underground in China, and rightly so, and very small.
When there is no mention of Osho, than it should be something like Kibbutz, the way of living, once very famous in Israel.
Basically Poona resort people should create a blanket ban on all those books and audios, where Osho mentions passionately about communes, these discourses should be treated as a high flying talks of a drunkard.
Another possibilty is to use the word, Resort instead of commune in the new editions of books and if by chance Osho has uttered a single time this word, “Resort”, it can be imposed on the audios too.
Once this longing to live with other seekers is dissolved, everybody will be happy to work in govt. or corporate offices.
Heraclitus, thanks for sharing the right logic.
We can thank the western capitalists for strengthening “communist” China!! To start a business in china one is not allowed to own even 50%. The majority of all businesses are owned by the communist party and the red army. The theory that capitalism will lead to a more open and democratic society is all bullshit propagated by the rich western elite. These capitalists will do business with anybody, from communists to nazis and military juntas. This capitalism has deepen the communist chinese resolve for control of all aspects of a person’s life. They are worse than the catholic church.. Any perceived threat to their power is met by brute force, imprisonment and murder. The Dalai Lama has a very little chance to see Tibet free. The resettlement of Tibet was started some 10 years ago at least, with ethnic chinese soon to outnumber native tibetans( Stalin resettled parts of the Ukraine in the 1930’s). Good luck to the sannyasins in china. As I see it, the way to screw with the communist chinese is to hit them where it hurts and that’s in their wallets- boycott goods from china, oh! we are too greedy to do that, we are addicted to cheap merchandise, so we’ll continue on buying goods from there and they’ll become more and more powerful. OSHO HELP US!!!!!
Thanks Heraclitus for a deep insight..
” boycott goods from china, oh! we are too greedy to do that, we are addicted to cheap merchandise ”
Very true Prem Bubbie…
I was tempted to get into more about china then stoped as it will be political forum debate rather than Meditations and Communes..But i will just share something i read..
I read some newspaper article that china is becoming more dangerous to its neighbours because of the internal unrest..Chinese govt has to keep diverting people attention by picking up external issues and keep the focus on them.. It is a question of time before sufficient number of people become concious enough..
OSHO HELP US!!!!!
Is it a joke or sense of exclamation or the feeling Masters are omni potent, omni present extra territorial beings with milk in their veins.
I can understand commune style living..Does it mean they need to build toilets using natural material, straw, bamboo etc in todays age.. does it something to do with economical living or way to work together ? Is that the model used in Sw Arun’s Nepal communes also?
…Or is that part of keeping a low profile..?
Shantam Prem, All the above!!!!!
Editors effectively channelized our postings in to areas other than what is happening in pune only , by bringing new and diverse threads quickly…In a way it is good…
In One of the last threads one Anand was complaining that few frustrated old people are writing here, the real positive sannyas news are happening at facebook.
So here is one positive thread, where is the person/s to cheer this up.
When i am writing here, there are faces of resort mangement the symbol of mind control and people like Kranti, full of longing, spread all over the world.
I am sure Osho was not born to give private tutor classes to few but to leave a living university of inner sciences behind therefore i wonder at the stone heartedness of those lucky few, who enjoyed Osho’s physical presence, who lived for years long in the commune, who experimented with different ways of relating, who danced and sang with the best soulful music and NOW, they are offering Empty pots to the new generation at throbing prices and that too without any dictate from the master.
Is this a blunder or a crime or divine will…?
I just checked out Facebook. I think those on Facebook are sailing on the Goodship Lollipop bound for Fantasyland!!! “Those who don’t learn from past mistakes are bound to repeat them”. All of us have some naiveness within and that is needed, but let’s start dealing with reality also. That’s what I think about the characters on Facebook. This website is honest and realistic. I trust we can continue to keep it real- both positive and negative and grow. Those new to Osho, please learn and grow from the oldtimers’ past mistakes. Ciao Bella
For those who have satellite or cable TV, I highly recommended watching a documentary film called “Coma”, on the HBO channel. It aired the other night, don’t confuse this film with the 1970’s film of the same name. I was floored!!! Again I was brought back to reality of who we really are- or- better still- who we really aren’t. One can Google the title and HBO, I don’t know if it’s downloadable off the ‘net, haven’t checked. I used to think humans have free will, now after all that’s happened in my life, I’m almost sure we don’t. The concept of free will is all an illusion, ego based, part of our narcissism and arrogance.
Prem Bubbie..
I am giving that Freewill link from Jeff Foster website..which i shared with you earlier.. Primarily because i felt it reflected upon free will in such a beautiful manner.. Even if you think you have free will to choose, you still dont have control over outcomes..That puts us back to sqaure one.. There is no real free will..
http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/4.html
The chapter is Non-Duality and Free Will
Is that 2007 movie directed by Liz Garbus ..Thats what i got from google apart from the 1978 one..?
sailing on the Goodship Lollipop bound for Fantasyland!!!
first time i have heard this expression. Really nice one.
Kranti, I’m not sure… you can also go to the HBO web site.. b. I have mixed feelings regarding the internet and sites like Facebook. Those of us particularly over the age of 35 have been dealing with others mostly by face to face meetings,and by telephone. I for one, grew up dealing with others face to face. This generation of youth and young adults I feel, are losing that precious direct contact whether it is done in a positive or negative manner. The definition of the word “phony” comes to mind. I define it as being bold, daring, tough while over the telephone or from a distance, but when that same person has to be face to face, in direct contact with another, they usually turn out to be chicken, a fraud, a wuss, hence I think that’s the root of the word phony. I think this generation has taken a further step backwards into cowardliness with the advent of the the internet and sites like ‘facebook’ or ‘my space’, even the use of cell phones. The lack of effort to meet and communicate or simply enjoy and be in another person’s presence is saddening to me. How wonderful it is to feel another person joy or even any other type of energy… I know many young people who have been persecuted and humiliated by others take refuge on their computer. I do understand given my torturous upbringing. but I never gave up and continued to relate with others on a face to face level. I’ve read many stories on how mean people can be even over the internet, those people as far as I’m concerned are phonies, chicken shit to be more accurate. The trend is growing from what I see, to communicate from a far even though it can be done in an up close and personal way. Too bad, since we really need to be going the other way- what’s better than a nice long hug as a greeting? I do think the internet is wonderful for finding out information and for long distance communication and some other things. For local contact, I’ll go see my friends and acquaintances and save the computer for other things. Love B
Prem bubbie..Yo have expressed the situation very beautifully…
Though i use internet for getting lot of information i never had anything facebook.. Even this forum , I have taken almost 15 years after getting introduced to Osho. I opened facebook to see the faces of people who write in this forum.. and thattoo after Shantam suggested.. But as soon as opened i got connected to lot of these youngters who worked with me in various companies.. So i opened one more facebook account and diverted all of them to that account..because they start posting all kind of funny thngs in which i am not interested..( No negativity meant though, about them )
It is really funny the way i use facebook.. I just keep logging in and logging out without knowing what to do..
Same with me when it comes to mobile.. i just dont call anyone on my own..
I remember a funny incident which happened few years ago.. Just before i fell asleep one night i got a SMS from someone which is not meant for me..Atleast thats what i thought… I should have kept quite.. I invited trouble by replying back saying i am not the intended receipient.. Then i realized that it was one of these young guys who live on SMS rather than Oxygen.. He tortured me for two days by keep sending mesages and asking me to join SMS friends network..
Lot of communication gaps arise when people live purely on internet / mobile communication..One of the bigger tragedies of all these electronic network is that it jas become a escape route for people to commnunicate with each other and avoid facing reality..
On the one hand internet is making life easier ..but on the other hand it is disconnecting people ..
” I define it as being bold, daring, tough while over the telephone or from a distance, but when that same person has to be face to face, in direct contact with another, they usually turn out to be chicken ”
One thing i have to admit though.. EMail helps people to handle bad bosses in offices by communicating indirectly and creating evidene for yourself that he is doing unfair things,, In a face to face scenario you dont stand much chance infront of a boss who is more powerful ..So email has its use..
Just to connect what we discuss to the thread… So a commune style living helps us avoid the nagative side of internet .. It opens up more and more direct contacts..
The 2007 movie directed by Liz Garbus seems to be the one created for HBO channel exclusively
… So a commune style living helps us avoid the nagative side of internet .. It opens up more and more direct contacts…..
I think in our time Osho is may be the only master who brought forward the idea of commune with meditation as a main point, and experimented with it, saw the drawbacks on the way and before His death gave the final touches to the refinement of commune life.
take the apple, samsung, sony, motorala away, you will not take much away though billions of people are used to the comforts of these great gadgets; by taking away commune, it s like you take oil away from the Saudi desert, you take away fragrance away from the roses!
Clear cut Murder!
Yes Shantam.. living is the core reason we are here and gadjets are meant to be of help.. Now you spend most of the time maintaining the time spent using gadgets and no time to live.. There is one particular impact of mobile.. You never know when you will get and what kind of call ..for example.. there is expectation by todays’s corporates that you should always be available over phone & that is considered professionalism.. So there is always an under current of tension / waiting created my mobiles..
” So there is always an under current of tension / waiting created my mobiles..”
This is in addition to the 12 hours you spend in office for 5 days a week..
Kranti,
This is one of the reason, i am opposing every single day; the castration of Osho’s work. His alternative solutions against the cut throat competitions and too much emphasis on outer success. for sure it would not have impressed people on the mass level but was needed as an equilibrium, as many of us have heard Him saying something like, “We are trying the last ditch effort to protect the eastern values of inner worth otherwise it is the west every where.”
And than there are spiritual idiots who want to teach meditation to the corporate junkies, so that they get more peaceful and therefore work more productively, in service of share holders and bankers and for sure one car for the family and one for the mistress.
You are all passion shantam!